tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post2630003572357715289..comments2024-03-22T15:15:09.943-04:00Comments on Lionel Deimel’s Web Log: Why the Anglican Covenant Should Be RejectedLionel Deimelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-41230941250090980252011-03-25T23:48:21.672-04:002011-03-25T23:48:21.672-04:00I agree that Joan’s taking the pro-Covenant positi...I agree that Joan’s taking the pro-Covenant position was not ideal. Joan tried to find a speaker, but the fact that she was moving to a new place at the same time probably meant the task didn’t receive her full attentions. Some other people tried to help out at the last minute, but we were unsuccessful. <br /><br />I just got in from a quick visit to see my son and his wife in Shippensburg. I see there is some news from Ireland, but I haven’t read about it yet. Perhaps I will have something to say tomorrow.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-61656370228698136442011-03-25T08:04:28.606-04:002011-03-25T08:04:28.606-04:00I'm somewhat surprised you couldn't "...I'm somewhat surprised you couldn't "find" a speaker to take the affirmative, though I'm sure Joan did a fine job. I'm not sure you would have thought that sort of arrangement would have been acceptable, though, if the tables had been turned. Nonetheless, PEP is of course an advocacy organization and not a body with any accountability beyond itself to the wider church, so what you all do is entirely up to you . . . .<br /><br />I'm not quite sure I understand all the subtle nuances of the Church of Ireland decision, but it would seem to be, functionally, a check on the pro-Covenant side of the ledger. What's your take?<br /><br />BruceRBruce Robisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00193701138386039942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-29327820562216950842011-03-23T16:45:57.026-04:002011-03-23T16:45:57.026-04:00"BTW, I disagree that the CofE will approve t..."BTW, I disagree that the CofE will approve the AC, on the basis of the early rejection by Wakefield and notwithstanding the vote by Lichfield."<br /><br />One of the big problems for the CoE is that its head, the Archbishop of Canterbury, is also the head of the Anglican Communion. And he is one of the architects of the Covenant.<br /><br />It puts the church under tremendous pressure, because it's inconceivable that the Head of the Anglican Communion should be part of a church that relegates itself to 2nd tier within that Communion.<br /><br />I expect to see more manipulative "debates" like we've seen in Lichfield.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-5004040305302367462011-03-23T09:00:41.805-04:002011-03-23T09:00:41.805-04:00Bruce,
Remarkably, Joan Gundersen made the pro-Co...Bruce,<br /><br />Remarkably, Joan Gundersen made the pro-Covenant case. She researched what Covenant supporters have said and made what I thought was a strong—and, from my viewpoint, annoying—presentation. We had been unable to find an outside speaker to advocate for the Covenant.<br /><br />Like Bill Geiger at the St. Andrew’s presentation, Joan did not speak from a formal script, so I have nothing to post from her. I’ll see if I can get a summary of what she said.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-40143098594052946742011-03-23T08:48:17.046-04:002011-03-23T08:48:17.046-04:00Hi Lionel,
Did the PEP gathering the other evenin...Hi Lionel,<br /><br />Did the PEP gathering the other evening also have the opportunity to hear a companion presentation on "Why the Anglican Covenant Should Be Affirmed?"<br /><br />BruceRBruce Robisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00193701138386039942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-89826241838639647502011-03-22T12:23:14.239-04:002011-03-22T12:23:14.239-04:00Pfalz prophet,
I know it sounds crazy, but I’m on...Pfalz prophet,<br /><br />I know it sounds crazy, but I’m only relying on what the Covenant actually says. Of course, one of the churches that has already signed on could bring the question of what “still in the process of adoption” means. The Covenant is a contract, and clergy aren’t competent to draw up contracts.<br /><br />As for acceptance by the CofE, I can only pray that you are right.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-1886924907730408472011-03-22T12:03:16.068-04:002011-03-22T12:03:16.068-04:00Help me out here, sir: TEC is able to rule on othe...Help me out here, sir: TEC is able to rule on other provinces' acceptance or rejection <i>even if </i>it has not adopted it yet, and there is no time constraint? So, at GC 2012, TEC could create a new study group to consider the covenant and present to GC 2015 a muddled report, and GC 2015 could refer it back to committee until GC 2018. By then I would suppose there would be enough resistance to a Cantuar Confession that the CofE would drop the whole idea.<br /><br />BTW, I disagree that the CofE will approve the AC, on the basis of the early rejection by Wakefield and notwithstanding the vote by Lichfield.Pfalz prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10465623376468902861noreply@blogger.com