tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post4847648728498504949..comments2024-03-07T17:08:03.583-05:00Comments on Lionel Deimel’s Web Log: A Fair Settlement?Lionel Deimelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-40788865055729479732011-02-02T16:40:39.958-05:002011-02-02T16:40:39.958-05:00You know Lionel, if you're right and St. Phili...You know Lionel, if you're right and St. Philip's proposed this - it's a possibility I hadn't actually contemplated - then that would be extremely unfortunate (though certainly not TEC's fault).<br /><br />I hope you're wrong.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-89776039595595682162011-02-02T14:41:16.241-05:002011-02-02T14:41:16.241-05:00Jeremy,
I haven’t offered an opinion about the st...Jeremy,<br /><br />I haven’t offered an opinion about the stipulation; I was just wondering what role it played in the negotiations.<br /><br />Since neither of us was party to the negotiations, we do not know how the matter of removing the parish from the Anglican diocese came up. I would not be surprised to learn that St. Philip’s suggested it as a way of skirting the very problem you acknowledge, that of selling to a breakaway church.<br /><br />I find the agreement—both sides have agreed, remember—more pastoral and generous than your suggestion of simply evicting the congregation.<br /><br />As you say, time will be the test of ACNA.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-13831068540693910192011-02-02T13:11:53.328-05:002011-02-02T13:11:53.328-05:00Lionel,
I was wondering what your take on the set...Lionel,<br /><br />I was wondering what your take on the settlement would be, but I'm surprised that you regard the stipulation as appropriate or charitable.<br /><br />If the parish buildings are determined to be the property of the Episcopal Diocese and that body does not wish to "reward" secession - as I'm sure you don't - then by all means sell them to somebody else (I imagine, for example, that the Roman Catholic Church would refrain from selling its property to a dissident Catholic group). I find it difficult, however, to regard the affiliation provision as anything other than vindictive. <br /><br />The dissidents are gone and the courts have ruled in favor of the TEC Diocese (and having drafted the 2005 stipulation the way that it did, ACNA only has itself to blame). ACNA will now either prove itself or folow the Continuing Churches into oblivion; it's not for TEC to pass judgment on whether or not it will succeed. <br /><br />If this is simply a business transaction, then treat it as such; if it's not, then don't get into negotiations, just request the congregation to vacate. <br /><br />Ultimately, the responsibility for going along with this rests with St. Philip's, but I would have hoped that the the TEC negotiators would have had the grace not to put them in this position.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-15229587530247246722011-02-02T09:12:53.519-05:002011-02-02T09:12:53.519-05:00Well, ok. So you're saying members of St. Phi...Well, ok. So you're saying members of St. Philip's fell to the floor(or something similar to it) during your visit there? That's interesting. I can understand why St. Philip's might want to become independent.jmhjr4https://www.blogger.com/profile/02008217145611619494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-6766469321130262492011-02-02T08:50:39.687-05:002011-02-02T08:50:39.687-05:00I can’t make this stuff up. Check out Wikipedia on...I can’t make this stuff up. Check out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slain_in_the_Spirit" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> on the subject.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3320087.post-72470211607815749722011-02-02T07:22:48.550-05:002011-02-02T07:22:48.550-05:00Forgive my naivete' and/or ignorance(or don...Forgive my naivete' and/or ignorance(or don't; it doesn't matter), but what does "slain in the spirit" mean? Just curious.jmhjr4https://www.blogger.com/profile/02008217145611619494noreply@blogger.com